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Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2016.10.27 01:42:48 -
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Cassiel Seraphim wrote:You obviously haven't paid attention or tried things on Singularity.
Currently on Singularity you need to have every single pre-requisite skill in order to interact with a ship (assemble, board, undock etc). So even if you have Command Ships trained, Battlecruiser V trained etc, you'll still need to train the two racial warfare skills up to IV before you can use the ship again.
I'm guessing this is either a simple as the new Shield Command (former Siege Warfare) and Skirmish Command (former Skirmish Warfare), for a Sleipnir for example, becoming a "primary" skill requirement instead of a secondary skill required for the primary skill Command Ships ... or it has to do with the way they implemented the alpha vs omega clone "downgrade" that locks you out of ships you no longer have the skills for.
This means that a lot of older pilots will no longer be able to fly ships they currently can fly. Thus won't "be able to fly what they can already fly", which has often been CCP's stance on changes.
This is just the change from secondary skills to primary.
CCP, you need to put this into the change to first post, since currently those skills are including in the CS requirements and it makes it sound like you are totally removing the Command skills, not moving them onto the ships themselves. |
Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2016.10.27 21:06:55 -
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Syri Taneka wrote:
I'm... not exactly sure what you're talking about.
Do you mean the racial ship skills (Frigate, Cruiser, BC) or the Warfare skills each CS gives ship-race-based buffs to?
If you mean the Warfare skills... I guess what you're trying to say is that you fly Vulture/Nighthawk or Eos/Astarte but never bothered running a Sensor Integrity Link because you don't like your fleet mates enough to boost their lock range and sensor strengths?
There are a bunch of people who trained command ships back when you needed Logistics & HAC V amongst other things to be able to fly them. And may not have trained all the warfare skills. Not all the CS were originally primarily link boats and some made good DPS boats even then.
When CCP did the previous skill change to CS, they (self included) could all still fly all the CS they previously could, to the same ability they previously could. As DPS boats if you didn't have the link skills trained, or as links if you did.
If CCP stick with what is in Sisi less than 2 weeks from live, all those people suddenly can't fly those ships, which breaks CCP's normal rule of 'If you could fly it before you can after'.
Now they have made exceptions to this in the past when it was only a short train to sort it out, but they also gave months of notice of those exceptions to allow people plenty of time to fit the new training in without screwing over the general skill plan.
In this case, they aren't giving any notice at all, they haven't even officially commented on it if the Sisi build is old and those requirements won't exist, or if that is what we will actually be getting live. And what existing CS pilots are meant to do. |
Nevyn Auscent
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Posted - 2016.10.28 00:31:01 -
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Selnix wrote:
Any chance of getting the third innate burst fitting back that we currently have? If we weren't losing the skill based HP/sig/etc boosts I'd understand as the third would not be needed to give the same boosts you currently can.
Is it really necessary for us to throw away half of our rig slots by default to fill the same role with the same effectiveness we would have previously been able to without that loss?
You know they turned 2 of the previous boosts into a single boost right?
So the third boost you are asking for actually gives you more power than before. |
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Posted - 2016.10.28 01:55:27 -
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Selnix wrote:
The third was driven solely by a bonus passed down based on your leadership skills regardless of what links you fitted m8.
Yes, I'm aware of that, but unless I'm really misremembering the new link, it gives more than the 15% you could get from the old skills.
So you are asking for a net buff. |
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Posted - 2016.10.28 19:38:45 -
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Raz Xym wrote:I will be very disappointed if I am no longer able to fly command ships. Taking away functionality and forcing players to priority train or spend money on a ship skills is not a good idea. I know I will view it as a money grab hoping all the older players will be lazy and buy injectors.
It's about 3 days training if you didn't have any of the specific leadership skills trained I believe. Not 'significant' but it's very lacking in warning if that's what they are going through with. |
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